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Gen III was my favorite by far because it was the first version where I actually had to think about what I was doing and although the physical/special split occured later, looking back, I wish it occured when I first picked up the Sapphire my bro bought for me. [[User:Mackinz|Mackinz]] 20:05, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 
Gen III is my favorite too, mostly because of how much the world varied. I loved the city designs and how visually different each city and route was. A lot of new concepts were introduced in Gen III too, like Natures, Abilities, Double Battles, and the Battle Frontier. -[[User:Rycr|Rycr]] 20:49, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 
== Nice. ==
 
I totally agree with you. I actually thought about something like this the other day, but you beat me :P [[User:CuboneKing|<font color="Red">Cu</font>]][[User talk:CuboneKing|<font color="Tan">bo</font>]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|<font color="Green color light">ne</font>]][[bp:Cubone (Pokémon)|<font color="Black">King</font>]] 02:46, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 
I agree it seems that many fans who criticized Generation 3 seemed to be disappointed with Gen 3's lack of connection with Gen 1&2. Originally I myself at that age had my hopes of battling Red again crushed by R/S limitations to the game. But after a few years I began to respect and appreciate the Hoenn region despite the games lack of continuity. Gen 3 may have been the Pokemon franchise gaming revolution either being a good or a bad thing nonetheless it evolved the game from something more than just elemental rock paper scissors, in it's own way the gen truly captured the concept of Pokemon.
 
If you think about it the Hoenn region may have been the Darwin Galapagos islands of Pokemon, revealing how species and types are deviated and integrated by Hoenn's vast multiple environments (Prof Birch's field mind you). Ultimately the Hoenn region built the design for gen 3 pokemon for not only they were exotic but also considerably smaller than previous Pokemon generations. Aside from my wall of text the story was well built fully integrating both villains and cover art Pokemon into a plot, rivaling environmental extremist who both aim for expanding Pokemon habitats by acts of terrorism, by awakening legendary pokemon almost destroying the world in the process. Also don't get me started on how Emerald's Battle Frontier broken the somewhat hellish trial of after story EXP grinding and PokeDex entries. Generation IV on the other hand did well to closely follow Gen 3 design so well as the author stated it's more like a Pokemon Generation III+ which might explain some fans disdain with D/P/Pt.
 
== GEN III SUCKS AND I HATE IT ==
 
No not really.
 
Gen III was indeed a major step forward, and without it, Gen IV wouldn't be as awesome as it is. But it still sucked that there were literally no hints that we'd ever be able to get the 184 Pokémon missing from the Hdex. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 01:21, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 
: hmm--just curious as to what ones were missing? As well, in Gen III, via trading between Fire Red, Leaf Green, Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, Colosseum and XD, the only one that you could not get in some way (well, beyond importing games) was Celebi. Though, some were event only (Mew, Deoxys and Jirachi), the rest of the national dex could be filled with some patience. Such as being able to get to the point that grabbing Hooh from Colosseum would be a reality--or purifying Lugia in XD enough to bring it over to the hand held.
: If you mean no clues you could not get those 184 Pokemon in Gen IV, I think it was generally hinted with how they handled Gen III, that those 'mons would eventually show up.
: Sorry--must admit confusion as to why people suggest this idea of a large amount off mons not being available in Gen III. --[[User:KatrinaTheLamia|KatrinaTheLamia]] 18:09, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::This isn't really a place for debating this, but I figure I would point out that there was no way to get all the Pokémon without spending at least $140, not counting link cables and an extra GBA to trade with.. and a Gamecube and a GCN link cable. Don't get me wrong, I love Gen III to death.. it's just expensive as all hell to complete the National Dex. Either that or you would have a bunch of friends with all the other games, which I'm not sure if everyone in the world who plays Pokémon has like five friends all with different games. D:
::Thankfully they improved that in Gen IV, with cramming as much Pokémon in their games instead of having only 15 different Pokés post-E4. ._.;
::Oh, and let's not forget that FRLGE also had restrictive trade limits... FRLG you can't get ''anything'' that's not in the Kdex, not even eggs. E you can't get anything that's not in the Hdex, though I'm pretty sure you can "smuggle" eggs in that are of non-Hdex Pokes. So yeah Gen III was pretty insane to complete the Ndex in ''one game'' for. Have to be a pretty hardcore Pokémon player to achieve that. [[User:Tina|Tina]] 00:43, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::: Yeah, even I admit, it WAS insanely annoying to purchase the required amount of hardware to grab everything in Gen III's dex. As well, that is when the joke of giving two versions to sell more Nintendo products kind of hit critical mass. As with Gen I, that was something briefly mentioned... then in Gen III it kind of hit the ridiculous level (Two GBAs, Link Cables, Gamecube, Gamecube>GBA Cables, e-reader, Emerald, Ruby|Sapphire, FR|LG, Collesium, XD, Pokemon Box, Jirachi Disc and various e-reader cards).
::: I will agree, that even without the wonderful addition of the GTS, Gen IV did manage to reduce that Sparta level of Pokemon game play. (MADNESS?! THIS! IS! HOENN!)
::: I hope that when Gen V comes around... the notice how much preferable it is for players to not get a second mortgage their house to complete it. Even if it is still possilbe --[[User:KatrinaTheLamia|KatrinaTheLamia]] 04:04, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=59319 Discussion here please]. Talk pages should really be used for discussing the article itself, not its subject. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana">[[bp:User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#000">darklord</span>]][[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 04:51, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::: *blinks* well between the complete English fail here on presenting what you mean, this discussion was pretty much over already.
::::: I mean, while I understand that this has been discussed to death (hence why I kind of dropped it in a form of agreement)... you DO realise that you said, "the talk page is to talk about X. Not to talk about X." to most people? I mean, unless you mean, that we are only to talk about the spelling, grammar and literary value of the article, I cannot have any clue as to what you just suggested as the policy in place here.
::::: I mean, unless we go uber-meta, how can you talk about the article without talking of the context that the article is in, that is, the article's subject.
::::: To bring up a summary, you just jumped into a discussion that ended, and said a confusing statement that talking about your article is a rather schroedinger's status here. As in the Talk we can both talk about the article and not talk about the article. Darklord, do you perchance have dog qualities? And if so, could you regale what the sound of one handed clapping is? --[[User:KatrinaTheLamia|KatrinaTheLamia]] 19:49, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::You hit the nail on the head, until you started addressing me with mean names D:
::::::The talk page is ''meant'' to be used for discussing improvements, corrections, and inaccuracies with articles. Discussing feelings about the subject or topic is meant for the forums. That's why we link to the forum on the article page. You'll also get a wider response there. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana">[[bp:User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#000">darklord</span>]][[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 06:29, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
== TBH, ==
 
I literally just put batteries back into my old GBA and played Ruby again. These are the games that got me hooked, and for a while, I could see why there was hate for Gen III, but I really cant now.
 
The Music♫
The music in Gen III was fresh, and easy to listen to. This was one of the main reasons I started playing it again.
 
The Region
IMHO, Hoenn was the most diverse region iv seen. Although I do hold Gen II very close, Hoenn has Johto barely beat. The people, the routes, just everything. Where else had you seen a volcano (complete with ash) in a game at that time? Yea, thought so.
 
The Pokémon
Sure, some where blant ripoffs *coughthatmeansyouBuitiflycough* but some were really good ideas: Guardians of Sea & Earth, a lily pad (lol) a mongoose. And we cant forget Mudkipz.
 
But each to his own I guess.
--[[User:Jats605|Jats605]] 21:43, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 
== I liked Gen III ==
 
I dunno--I thought Gen III was fairly decent. Keep in mind... I hated Gen I enough, due to its completely unbalanced nature it was presented as that I entirely skipped Gen II. Not thinking it was possible to recover from the large amount of fail that was Gen I. Mind you--I had gotten good enough at exploiting issues in Gen I, that I would take my team of three Pokemon (typically containing Omastar, Dragonite and Articuno), up against challengers with six Pokemon, and still handily win--every bloody time. Mind you, I have since then, lost that charm with Gen I (I am working on getting it back though). I mean, during my days of Gen I, I was looking into gimping my own team, just to give my opponent running chance (though, still taking into account various unbalanced issues in them).
 
I started up Gen III, thinking "wait... they are still selling this stuff? This has not crashed into a fireball into the side of a hill exploding, and everybody died?". I grabbed Sapphire, initially. I still consider Sapphire, Ruby and Emerald to be the hardest games of the franchise. Sapphire, after finding out about abilities, I grabbed five Zigzagoons right on the first route and started item farming (it was kind of the first idea I came up with when using Pickup). After a little bit of adjusting--have had skipped Gen II and all--I kind of did not really get why people suggested they were running out of ideas.
 
I mean--the Pokemon in Hoenn were honestly a lot different, for the most part, than Kanto and Johto's pokemon. And well, we DID have the joy of various Pokemon that have knives randomly grafted onto their bodies (making Hoenn's Pokemon even better in my opinion... Seviper, for example, is much better than Arbok in my eyes). The designs also suffered from their own batch of jokes. Such as the Awwright Pokemon, Mawile. The Bite Pokemon Poochyena, that rarely was found to actually know the move "Bite". The gender ubiquitous Pokemon Kirlia and Gardevior. The idea of also being able to catch a large Shark on a fishing pole, and train it to ferry you around kind of has humour to it too.
 
At first, I had issues really getting into it though--but well, then Red Chocobo and Zorak's Let's Plays kind of made me want to take up the series and stay. The first episode being Red Chocobo's Let's Play Pokemon Emerald.
 
I mean--from there I looked into stuff like Pokemon Adventures and what not.
 
If it were not for Gen III's execution and design, I probably would still be posting hateful crap on Pokemon.
 
In short, I liked Gen III. --[[User:KatrinaTheLamia|KatrinaTheLamia]] 17:54, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:these talk pages are for discussing the site and how the article relates to it (like if there was a naming error or some bad links), any discussion directly related to the article and its contents would go to the forums. also, dont insult people, let alone an admin, thats just stupid. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAG</span>]]<span style="color:#696969;">NE</span>[[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">DETH</span>]]''' 01:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
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